From: | Chaim Saiman <Saiman@law.villanova.edu> |
To: | DAVID CHEIFETZ <davidcheifetz@rogers.com> |
CC: | obligations@uwo.ca |
Date: | 10/06/2009 20:07:52 UTC |
Subject: | RE: Judicial citation of academic writing |
David,
Yes, that is what I had in mind when I included legal
encyclopedia's, the thigns like CJS & ALR the West Digest, the lineal
decendents of the old common law abridgments. At least in the US, these are no
longer (usually) written by full time faculty at law schools, but either by practitioners
who are more academically inclined (similar to PLI's) or researchers working
for LExis/Westlaw, or ppl concpetualized as further down the law school food
chain. But in short, I don’t think most lawyers would view citing the
restatement as a n "academic " work. (BTW- I think its pretty rare
for lawyers/courts to cite to the reporters notes in the restatement. )
Here pretty much every field has a standard treatise or two that
lawyers and judges routinely cite to, but would not be conceptualized as
academic. But law reviews and books-- well that is a different question.
Do you think the vibe is different in Canada/CWealth? Is citing
to "Chitty on Contracts" or "Goff and Jones" on restitution
considered "academic."
From: DAVID CHEIFETZ
[mailto:davidcheifetz@rogers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 3:26 PM
To: Chaim Saiman
Cc: obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Judicial citation of academic writing
Chaim,
Thanks.
There's a level of
"doctrinal" - I like the "scare" quotes usage - writing you
didn't mention that's lower in the analytical food chain that the
Restatement and that's the digest. Canada has digests (the Cdn Encyclopedic
Digest, the Canadian Abridgment) and while the CED is more than just a digest -
the sections are essentially small text books its Ivory Snow level (if not
more) black letter law. Nothing really analogous to the commentary and analysis
portions of the Restatements.
For that we have the separate subject
matter texts. Canada didn't even (until recently) have a Canadian version of Halsbury.
That's coming out in dribs.
David
From: Chaim Saiman
<Saiman@law.villanova.edu>
To: DAVID CHEIFETZ <davidcheifetz@rogers.com>;
"obligations@uwo.ca" <obligations@uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:49:07 PM
Subject: RE: Judicial citation of academic writing
David,
Here are my off the cuff
reactions.
At least from the US
perspective, it might be useful to distinguish between forms of academic
writing. Specifically between "doctrinal" writing (treatises
restatements, and various legal encyclopedia's, that are in the business
of organizing, collecting, and collating doctrine), and the more
theoretical scholarship that is in the business of justifying, reforming,
expanding /contracting established doctrine. I think most judges, lawyers
and scholars would recognize that these are somewhat different genres of
writing, such that citations to the restatement, while techincially an "academic"
work, is unlikely to lead to much interest or citation of writing more
typically concpetualized as "academic legal scholarship". In
other words citing Prossor on Torts or Wright and Miller of Fed. Jur. is not
really understood as citing "academic" scholarship-- despite the fact
that these works are/were written by academics and inevitably promote some view
or conception of the existing law.
I cant speak to Canadian tort
cases, but I would not surprise me to learn that there is quite a bit of
citation in US courts to the doctrinal materials, in large part because unlike
in the CWealth, there is less of an established canon of "leading
cases" that define each field. But I don’t think that this
leads to citation of the theoretical scholarship-- which is understood to be of
a different kind.
Finally, while I know far
less about torts specifically, at least in the restitution context, the
English HOL cases are far morelikely to cite theoretical academic scholarship
than US cases.
From: DAVID CHEIFETZ
[mailto:davidcheifetz@rogers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:54 AM
To: obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: Judicial citation of academic writing
Dear Colleagues - particularly our U.S.
colleagues
My impression is that, historically, US
judges are more inclined, across the breadth of tort law, than Canadian
judges, to refer to the scholarship of academic lawyers. It struck me that the
existence of treatises such as the Restatements, and what's involved in their
preparation, might be part of the reason for that greater inclination.
Views?
Best,
David Cheifetz